tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post8051622596193412620..comments2023-10-09T00:45:55.603+09:00Comments on Shisaku: All For The OlympicsMTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04626942240117432624noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-42892108716649443292013-09-09T16:20:42.921+09:002013-09-09T16:20:42.921+09:00Anonymous -
I did read the article. You in your c...Anonymous -<br /><br />I did read the article. You in your comment condemned <i>unagi</i> in general. You did not zero in on the very tiny amount of wild caught eel.<br /><br />As for finding, the national standard for eel is 100 becquerels per kilogram. The fished eel(s) in question clocked in at 140 bequerels per kilogram.<br /><br />Neither number tells the consumer anything about how much eel she would have to consume for the cesium in it to be a potential hazard to health. Considering the rarity of wild caught eel, my guess is that it would be an amount that would beyond the limits of anyone's wallet, much less her digestive system.<br /><br />As per the Todai simulation -- and it is <i>a simulation</i>, not a measurement -- I cannot get excited about 4000 Bqs of cesium per kilogram of mud. A 10 year old human being is around 3500 Bqs, mostly from the Potassium 40 in the electrochemical switches of the body. A kilogram of granite clocks in at 1000 Bqs per kilogram -- and is much more dangerous as the major culprit is radon, which is inhaled. <br /><br />Let us assume that the water the athletes will be swimming in will be at least 2 meters in depth. That amount of water should provide more than enough shielding to absorb the beta emission. The gamma emission I will concede. <br /><br />A specialist will know better.<br />MTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04626942240117432624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-23854026707939563682013-09-09T15:22:56.963+09:002013-09-09T15:22:56.963+09:00You might want to read this line again...8 tons of...You might want to read this line again...8 tons of eel a year harvested from the Edogawa river, and served to the Tokyo populace.<br /><br />年間に約8トン水揚げされる江戸川のウナギは、都内の料亭などで振る舞われている高級魚<br /><br />My point in this exchange is that Inose and Abe mislead the IOC on radiation in Tokyo. <br /><br />The Edogawa is contaminated and has Unagi above the government threshold for cesium contamination. And 8 tons of eel annually from the Edogawa, no pun intended, is not small potatoes.<br /><br />Anyway, the Olympic site includes both the Edogawa and Tokyo Bay, and according to those "nutty" Professors of Kinki and Kyodo, the contamination will only become worse next year (4,000 bq/kg)as the rain continues to cause cesium run-off from the mountains, down into the Kanto Plain and Edogawa, polluting Tokyo Bay. <br /><br />While some people may not have a problem with radioactive mud on the bottom of the Edogawa River and Tokyo Bay, perhaps the world's athletes will have a different take once they find out the "Olympic Village" is only a few kilometers away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-20149352843718336752013-09-09T04:25:41.624+09:002013-09-09T04:25:41.624+09:00Anonymous -
Thank you for the texts of the NHK r...Anonymous - <br /><br />Thank you for the texts of the NHK reports. It is really helpful for the discussion.<br /><br />My points, such as they were, remain unchallenged. The Tokyo University simulation finds a build up of Cesium 137 in the mud at the bottom of the rivers, where it will stay, popping off at a moderate rate.<br /><br />As for the Kinki University study, the test subjects, wild unagi, are long-lived, top-of-the-food chain predators with a preference for bottom-dwelling prey. It would be perverse if the research did not find higher concentrations of Cesium 137.<br /><br />As for the safety of unagi destined for human consumption, the findings are meaningless, as market-bound unagi are raised in enclosures and fed processed foods.<br />MTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04626942240117432624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-19995976024971771202013-09-07T21:09:29.920+09:002013-09-07T21:09:29.920+09:00The more you look at it...didn't Gov Inose tel...The more you look at it...didn't Gov Inose tell a whopper about Tokyo being as safe as London, Paris or New York! Talk about "stamina" from Unagi! Edogawa River too! <br /><br />And it will be worse next year...if you can believe in Kyoto University and Kinki University.<br /><br />But hey, they're "nutters"...<br /><br />江戸川のウナギから基準超の放射性セシウム<br />< 2013年6月7日 20:04 ><br /><br /> 東京湾に流れ込む江戸川で捕れたウナギから、国の基準を超える放射性物質が検出された。これを受け、千葉県は7日、関係する漁協に出荷の自粛を要請した。<br /><br /> 江戸川の河口から約4キロの地点で捕れたウナギが7日朝、千葉県御宿町の海洋生物環境研究所に持ち込まれ、放射性物質の検査を行うため機械にかけられた。検査の結果、江戸川で捕ったウナギからは、1キログラムあたり100ベクレルの国の基準を超える、140ベクレルの放射性セシウムが検出された。これを受けて千葉県では、関係漁協に対し、江戸川で捕れたウナギについて出荷自粛要請を行った。<br /><br /> 福島第一原発事故から2年3か月。東京湾に流れ込む江戸川の魚から、国の基準を超える放射性セシウムが検出され、出荷の自粛要請が出されたのは初めて。<br /><br /> 今回、基準を超える放射性セシウムが検出されたことについて、今年3月にウナギを検査した、近畿大学の山崎秀夫教授は「放射性セシウムを含む水が中流域に存在している。食物連鎖が繰り返されることで、ウナギの中のセシウム濃度が高くなる」としている。<br /><br /> 年間に約8トン水揚げされる江戸川のウナギは、都内の料亭などで振る舞われている高級魚。今回、出荷自粛になったことについて、江戸川で50年以上ウナギ漁を行う漁師の小島一則さんは、「(Q.これからの時期、ウナギがメーン?)メーンです。ウナギが1番稼げるんですけど。心配ですし、収入がなくなりますから、もし規制されるとなると…」と話す。<br /><br /> 出荷自粛となった江戸川のウナギ。今回4検体を調べたうち、3検体からは国の基準を超える放射性セシウムは検出されなかったが、千葉県では今後も検査を継続し、釣り人に対しても食べないように呼びかけている。Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-26728599688659157412013-09-07T21:00:41.333+09:002013-09-07T21:00:41.333+09:00It really is about the Olympics...
東京湾 再来年4000ベク...It really is about the Olympics...<br /><br /><br />東京湾 再来年4000ベクレルに<br />5月26日 4時41分 NHK<br />東京湾 再来年4000ベクレルに<br /> <br /><br />東京電力福島第一原子力発電所の事故で、東京湾に流れ込んで海底にたまる放射性セシウムの濃度は再来年の3月に最も高くなり、局地的に泥1キログラム当たり4000ベクレルに達するとするシミュレーション結果を京都大学の研究グループがまとめました。<br /><br />京都大学防災研究所のグループは、福島第一原発の事故で関東に降った放射性物質などの調査データを使い、東京湾に流れ込んで海底にたまる放射性セシウムを、事故の10年後まで予測するシミュレーションを行いました。<br />その結果、放射性セシウムの濃度は再来年の3月に最も高くなり、荒川の河口付近では、局地的に泥1キログラム当たり4000ベクレルに達すると推定されるということです。これは、ことし1月に福島第一原発から南に16キロの海底で検出された値とほぼ同じです。<br />比較的濃度が高くなるとみられる東京湾の北部では、平均すると海底の泥1キログラム当たり300ベクレルから500ベクレル程度と計算されたということです。<br />再来年の4月以降は、周囲の河川から流れ込む放射性物質が減る一方で、拡散が進むため、濃度は徐々に下がるとしています。<br />シミュレーションを行った山敷庸亮准教授は「雨の量などによっては放射性物質が東京湾に流れ込む速度が早まる可能性がある。海底への蓄積量を継続的に調べるとともに、魚介類に影響が出ないか監視すべきだ」と話しています。<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-46298608072903871182013-09-07T20:50:50.981+09:002013-09-07T20:50:50.981+09:00Here is the report by NHK and the "Nutters&qu...Here is the report by NHK and the "Nutters" of Kinki and Kyoto Universities. We are talking about Cesium 137 and it will only increase in the Bay over the years. <br /><br />The "Nutty" Professors at Kyoto and Kinki did the tests, based on science. See for yourself:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_MILM2_r4o<br /><br />According to this report of over one year ago, the cesium should have increased this year, and will the next year as well. <br /><br />Why have there have been no follow-on reports? Olympics?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-59795169117338648032013-09-06T22:24:29.407+09:002013-09-06T22:24:29.407+09:00I have to wonder about the seriousness of the e-co...I have to wonder about the seriousness of the e-coli contamination in the waters off Odaiba. People are gather clams there every morning. I do not see them eat them, but I assume that is what they are doing when they take them home. One woman is there every time I visit. Others are wading and wind-boarding in those waters.<br /><br />But I ain't a doctor nor a scientist, so I won't be testing that.D. H.http://wasurechattan.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-60207168508042133662013-09-06T10:40:37.543+09:002013-09-06T10:40:37.543+09:00Anonymous -
Sorry, 2) in my comment should have ...Anonymous - <br /><br />Sorry, 2) in my comment should have read:<br /><br />"Most of it will have undergone beta decay."<br /><br />The "not" should not be there.<br /><br /> MTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04626942240117432624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-42489533992738443522013-09-06T08:48:02.310+09:002013-09-06T08:48:02.310+09:00Oh my, do not use FACTS in your argument, 'MTC...Oh my, do not use FACTS in your argument, 'MTC'. It only enrages the nutters.<br /><br />That said, even if the IOC chooses elsewhere in fear of public hysteria affecting their haul of lucre from the freak show, I will be pleased. The Olympics destroys economies at worst; bleeds money from the public to private interests at best.Ἀντισθένηςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199983680204710885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-57040821995604408082013-09-06T05:32:51.699+09:002013-09-06T05:32:51.699+09:00Anonymous -
Contamination is a matter of degree, ...Anonymous -<br /><br />Contamination is a matter of degree, dispersal, deposition and kind. While it is true that rain will transport the surface cesium into streambed and riverbeds, leading to watercourses having higher levels of radioactivity as compared to the rest of the environment,<br /><br />1) the amount of radionucleides deposited in the watersheds of rivers emptying into Tokyo Bay has never been considered a significant hazard to health<br /><br />2) only a trace of the cesium 134, which still makes up about 20% of the current mass of radioactive matter, will remain. Most of it will have not undergone beta decay<br /><br />3) while soluble in water, cesium is heavy, meaning it does not stay in water column very long. It would be a contaminant mostly of mud<br /><br />4) Like potassium, cesium does not stay in the body long. Given the medium rate of decay of cesium 137, only a trace of the amount injested or absorbed would actually undergoes decay while still in the body.<br />MTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04626942240117432624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6714063.post-15997907266047522272013-09-05T23:04:56.806+09:002013-09-05T23:04:56.806+09:00The Edogawa riverbed is contaminated, flushing rad...The Edogawa riverbed is contaminated, flushing radioactive cesium into Tokyo Bay...according to several reports one year ago. According to a broadcast by NHK, based on a University study, most of the Tokyo Bay bottom will be contaminated with cesium by 2014. The cesium is washed down from the mountains by rain, and increased in the Edogawa from 2011 to 2012...and in Tokyo Bay. No other news on this since last year...."all for the Olympics."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com